时间
2005年11月3日（周四）上午10:00-12:00
演讲人
Kent Beck
声音记录
网盘下载(85M)：http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=73615&uk=1795750932
UMLChina早期的很多专家讲座是通过越洋电话举行，所以音质和后来的讲座相比稍差。
幻灯片
Extreme Programming: Current Thoughts，下载：http://umlchina.com/chat/slide/ExtremeProgrammingThoughtsNov2005.ppt
聊天记录
(09:57:43)*kentbeck与所有人说:hello. kent beck here.
(09:57:47)1111与所有人说:这里有深圳的创业者吗？？？？？
(09:57:52)[*umlchina_seminar]与caohe1说:大家欢迎
(09:58:00)我不姓黄与所有人说:欢迎 欢迎
(09:58:02)caohe1与所有人说:哦，看见了，刚打开，还等着图标呢
(09:58:06)taito与所有人说:welcome to china
(09:58:10)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:welcome
(09:58:25)liuypman与hanshw说:thank you
(09:59:02)我不姓黄与所有人说:我退出重进
(10:00:43)[*umlchina_seminar]与eddiewang说:大家稍候，表示欢迎啊
(10:00:52)liuypman与hanshw说:ppt下不下来
(10:01:02)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:开始了
(10:01:16)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:幻灯下载http://webseminar5.unix105.cn4e.com/webseminar/ExtremeProgrammingThoughtsNov2005.ppt
(10:01:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:Can you hear?
(10:01:39)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:I can
(10:01:45)我不姓黄与所有人说:i can't
(10:01:48)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:very clear
(10:02:07)hanshw与*umlchina2说:very clear
(10:02:16)northman与所有人说:just ok
(10:02:41)liuypman与hanshw说:谁给我个ppt啊，liuypman@hotmal.com
(10:02:42)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:http://webseminar5.unix105.cn4e.com/webseminar/ExtremeProgrammingThoughtsNov2005.ppt
(10:03:02)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:幻灯下载地址
(10:03:19)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:要是听不见声音，请手工安装插件，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe
(10:04:23)mountain与liuypman说:请 收邮件吧
(10:04:26)caohe1与所有人说:可以听见声音，不过效果不是很好，有些断续
(10:04:36)liuypman与mountain说:谢谢
(10:05:10)gaotg与所有人说:没有翻译吗？
(10:05:26)liuypman与月丽说:faint
(10:06:01)*vcnet与所有人说:ppt下不了
(10:06:04)先晓兵与所有人说:who
(10:06:09)turingbook与所有人说:还没有开始？
(10:06:14)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:已经开始了
(10:06:21)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:要是听不见声音，请手工安装插件，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe
(10:06:33)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:还有谁下载不了ppt？
(10:06:43)*vcnet与所有人说:我
(10:06:54)liuypman与所有人说:me
(10:07:41)gaotg与所有人说:有没有翻译,umlchina_seminar
(10:08:25)[*umlchina_seminar]与gaotg说:没有
(10:11:40)*magicvase与所有人说:讲到哪页了
(10:11:52)freewind与所有人说:3
(10:11:58)*magicvase与所有人说:3q
(10:12:18)*Brian泡泡与所有人说:听的不太清
(10:12:32)*Brian泡泡与所有人说:不利于英语不好的人（比如我）理解
(10:13:11)*Brian泡泡与[*umlchina_seminar]说:有没有内部录音？
(10:13:23)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:有录音
(10:13:45)*Brian泡泡与[*umlchina_seminar]说:那结束以后能发给我吗？
(10:13:55)buaa360与所有人说:来晚了
(10:13:55)xpder与所有人说:怎么我手工安装了插件,还是听不到声音?
(10:14:15)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:右下角打开语音没有
(10:15:13)buaa360与所有人说:讲到哪里了？
(10:15:32)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:slide 3
(10:15:41)buaa360与所有人说:谢谢
(10:15:48)*Brian泡泡与[*umlchina_seminar]说:结束以后能把内部录音发给我们吗？
(10:16:01)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:录音会下载
(10:16:59)liuypman与所有人说:那一页了？？
(10:17:32)xpder与所有人说:右下角语音打开了啊
(10:18:13)liuypman与buaa360说:i am buaa ，too
(10:18:36)buaa360与liuypman说:呵呵
(10:18:50)*vcnet与liuypman说:3
(10:19:25)*nwdong与liuypman说:4 now
(10:22:55)turingbook与所有人说:我这里没有声音了
(10:24:46)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:大家有问题可以随时提出，Kent会回答大家的问题
(10:25:01)liuypman与[*umlchina_seminar]说:ok
(10:25:42)northman与所有人说:bupter
(10:27:54)caohe1与所有人说:干吗跟我说呀
(10:28:33)turingbook与所有人说:Could Kent provide some success stories of XP?
(10:31:02)turingbook与所有人说:Is the talk still going on? I have no voice.
(10:31:35)[*umlchina_seminar]与turingbook说:右下角的“打开语音”开了没有
(10:32:09)turingbook与[*umlchina_seminar]说:开了，显示广播方式，刚才还可以听到，现在不行了
(10:32:32)[*umlchina_seminar]与turingbook说:关闭再打开试试吧
(10:32:37)turingbook与[*umlchina_seminar]说:ok
(10:32:40)[*umlchina_seminar]与turingbook说:关闭语音再打开
(10:33:02)[*umlchina_seminar]与turingbook说:slide 5
(10:43:31)期待 and 期待_292与所有人说:Large-scale ideas is providing purpose, however ..
(10:43:43)期待 and 期待_292与所有人说:it also can bring too much arguement among the team to get the agreement.
(10:43:51)pinxue与所有人说:Hi Kent, may you give some words for c3 project?
(10:43:55)pinxue与所有人说:Many guys criticize that it is the most famous xp project but failed,
(10:43:56)期待 and 期待_292与所有人说:Do you have the experience to handle this?
(10:44:05)pinxue与所有人说:how we can trust a methodology burned from a failed project?
(10:44:12)pinxue与所有人说:It is real a discourage!
(10:45:05)taito与所有人说:只听得懂一点啊..有没有听力比较好的翻译一下呢?
(10:45:17)liuypman与taito说:me too
(10:46:21)liuypman与taito说:i use it to improve me listening but not techonoly:)
(10:47:39)taito与所有人说:Mr.kent Do you have a msn?
(10:48:07)*umlchina2与taito说:讲座完可以下载录音再仔细听
(10:49:04)*xjmen与所有人说:which page?
(10:49:28)*umlchina2与*xjmen说:answer question now
(10:49:41)*xjmen与所有人说:i am too late
(10:49:46)*xjmen与所有人说:;(
(10:50:07)*umlchina2与*xjmen说:Kent is talking about a project using XP.
(10:51:49)*umlchina2与所有人说:Slide 6 now
(10:51:53)pinxue与所有人说:Thanks! Good explaination
(11:13:09)*umlchina2与所有人说:Slide8, question2
(11:15:34)*umlchina2与所有人说:Slide9
(11:15:49)[*umlchina_seminar]与*Brian泡泡说:一会提几个问题吧 )
(11:16:16)caohe1与*umlchina2说:thanks
(11:20:54)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:大家有问题可以随时提出,Kent beck会回答大家的问题
(11:21:34)*xjmen与所有人说:国内有XP应用 的成功 案例吗
(11:22:10)liuypman与liuypman说:Xp听听新鲜就行了
(11:22:29)liuypman与*xjmen说:一些思想还是有道理的
(11:22:37)*xjmen与所有人说:
(11:24:15)*xjmen与所有人说:看来 我们是需要 Cchinese XP
(11:24:35)期待 and 期待_292与所有人说:A question. We are developing a product (about 400000 lines code) using XP, but ....
(11:24:42)qlw5与*umlchina2说:ok
(11:24:48)期待 and 期待_292与所有人说:we found the learning curve is not so good for the new members as there is not document
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:24:59)期待 and 期待_292与所有人说:what's your suggestion? thanks
(11:25:06)liuypman与期待 and 期待_292说:very big project！！！
(11:25:08)*xjmen与所有人说:As a project manager ,who want to apply the XP to his projects, what condition he must have,
(11:25:21)*xjmen与所有人说:his teammates, the project, or other aspects ?
(11:26:28)liuypman与*xjmen说:i think the manager has not the courage to use xp
(11:27:07)liuypman与*xjmen说:What dou you think of？
(11:27:16)*xjmen与所有人说:Document 问题其实 是项目本生人力和财力的问题吧
(11:27:34)*xjmen与所有人说:i think so
(11:27:49)eddiewang与所有人说:有时，在不知不觉使用XP
(11:28:05)genggjh与所有人说:应该把红工场的朋友们请来，听听他们在项目中是怎样使用XP的
(11:28:14)*xjmen与所有人说:but i want to use for reference
(11:29:08)*rui0354与所有人说:a good idea
(11:29:28)liuypman与所有人说:Is xp a techonogy of kill Dragon？？？
(11:29:47)caohe1与所有人说:he's answer the question of *xjmen?
(11:30:01)*umlchina2与caohe1说:yes.
(11:30:25)liuypman与caohe1说:CaoHe is smart：）
(11:31:10)caohe1拉着liuypman的手语气心长地说:小心了
(11:35:23)*rui0354与所有人说:Is the teacher in beijing?
(11:35:48)*umlchina2与*rui0354说:In Oregon, US, Three River Institute
(11:36:03)liuypman与*umlchina2说:hehe
(11:36:25)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:大家有问题可以随时提出,Kent会回答大家的问题
(11:36:53)liuypman与*umlchina2说:if i go to USA，i will go Three River Institute to happy with you
(11:37:37)*umlchina2与liuypman说:Happy with whom? me or Prefessor Beck?
(11:38:03)liuypman与*umlchina2说:the prefessor ofcourse
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:38:37)*rui0354与所有人说:Can you describe the software development process in a USA company?
(11:40:47)*Brian泡泡与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Someone think about that less design will produce more unuseful test cases.
(11:40:57)*Brian泡泡与[*umlchina_seminar]说:What do you think about, Professor Beck?
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:41:38)*kentbeck与所有人说:www.agitar.com
(11:42:11)*rui0354与慧伶说:What are you doing?
(11:42:13)*Brian泡泡与[*umlchina_seminar]说:I mean what is the relationship between software design and TDD?
(11:43:23)*rui0354与慧伶说:go to hell
(11:43:37)*umlchina2与*kentbeck说:You have never been in China. Do you have plan to come?
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:44:03)*rui0354与慧伶说:welcome
(11:44:22)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:welcome
(11:44:38)taito与所有人说:What's your general impression about china
(11:46:03)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:What's your general impression about IT industry in china?
(11:48:01)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:thanks
(11:48:04)taito与所有人说:welcome to china
(11:48:07)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:大家有问题可以随时提出,Kent会回答大家的问题
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
系统：管理员*umlchina2把主麦克风交给*umlchina2。
(11:48:18)mountain与liuypman说:thanks
(11:48:27)*Brian泡泡与*kentbeck说:Eclipse Platform
(11:48:37)mountain与*kentbeck说:thanks
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:48:53)taito与所有人说:It was a great help to me
(11:49:01)*kentbeck与所有人说:mailto:kent ( at ) threeriversinstitute.org
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:49:20)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:Do
(11:49:31)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:Do you use msn messenger?
(11:49:35)*Brian泡泡与*kentbeck说:Dose Eclipse Platform have a plan to move to .NET, or is there a way?
(11:49:50)[*umlchina_seminar]与*kentbeck说:do you have a blog or msn messenger? )
(11:50:21)taito与所有人说:blog address?
(11:50:44)*umlchina2与taito说:Kent does not write blog.
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:50:51)taito与所有人说:o
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:51:09)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:any questions?
(11:51:25)snowwolf与*kentbeck说:If I only apply some aspects of XPin our projects, can it works well?
(11:51:26)liuypman与*kentbeck说:no questions， thank you
系统：主麦克风被您交给*umlchina2。
(11:53:08)*Brian泡泡与*kentbeck说:Are you still coding these years?
(11:53:27)liuypman与所有人说:Where is the dog？
(11:53:48)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina2说:kent's dog
(11:53:53)liuypman与所有人说:o
(11:54:02)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:A ameriacan dog
(11:54:13)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:^_^
(11:54:19)liuypman与所有人说:can it speek english？
(11:54:23)liuypman与所有人说:too
(11:54:31)*umlchina2与liuypman说:sure
(11:55:03)*jackyjacky2005与所有人说:do u think a team leader should be in charge of some coding job in a project?
(11:56:20)xdingding与所有人说:how to TDD with UML?
(11:57:09)liuypman与所有人说:good night，
(11:57:19)liuypman与所有人说:i go to have lunch
(11:57:37)[*umlchina_seminar]与*kentbeck说:thank you very much
(11:57:39)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:Good night!
(11:57:51)*umlchina2与xdingding说:You have the last question.
(11:58:08)xdingding与所有人说::)
(11:58:18)mountain与*kentbeck说:Do you send a example to me?
(11:58:38)mountain与*kentbeck说:Email:mountain_son@263.net
(11:58:54)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:rui0354@hotmail.com
(11:58:57)*rui0354与*kentbeck说:thanks
(11:59:07)*umlchina2与*kentbeck说:Thank yo very much Professor
(11:59:12)*umlchina2与*kentbeck说:It is very useful
(11:59:27)期待 and 期待_292与*kentbeck说:Thank you
(11:59:30)*Brian泡泡与*kentbeck说:Thank you!
(11:59:31)*jackyjacky2005与所有人说:thank you!
(11:59:34)taito与所有人说:Thank you
(11:59:36)snowwolf与*kentbeck说:Thank you
(11:59:44)*Brian泡泡与*kentbeck说:It is very useful for us
(11:59:45)mountain与*kentbeck说:thanks
(11:59:46)caohe1拉着所有人的手语气心长地说:thanks too
(11:59:56)mountain与*kentbeck说:I hope meet you next time.
(12:00:21)mountain紧紧的握住*kentbeck的手:886
(12:00:21)*rui0354冲所有人叫:go to lunch
(12:00:31)taito与所有人说:it's time
(12:00:36)*xjmen与所有人说:me too
(12:00:40)*xjmen与所有人说:bye
(12:00:50)xdingding与*kentbeck说:i am your fans:) , i am reading eclipse code now
(12:01:42)*umlchina2与所有人说:谢谢大家！还有问题请email给Kent Beck
